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Navy and the AAC

Post by hiangle6 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:38 pm

Having been through Army's foray into C-USA, and the pain that resulted, I wonder what our aquatic brethren to the south think about being in the AAC. They are 2-2 and are favored in only 2 of their remaining 8 games. It seems eerily similar to our experience in C-USA, notwithstanding the fact that they have a coach of much higher quality than did we at the time.



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Re: Navy and the AAC

Post by guppie58 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:11 pm

I think the element of playing the same conference teams yearly gives the triple option a much lesser advantage. See Georgia Tech as another example. With much more tremendous athletes, they seem to have become a rather middle-of-the-road team in their conference.

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Re: Navy and the AAC

Post by wpgrad » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:19 pm

I think having coaches see the option year after year after year definitely weakens the suprise nature of the offense, and I think that Navy's venture into the American Athletic is a good thing for Army football long term. I hope they make their conference championship the week before Army Navy every single year while we are resting/healing and preparing for victory.

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Re: Navy and the AAC

Post by RABBLE » Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:44 pm

Navy is in that conference for the moola. I guess they 'aint making enough dough playing ND and Army every year. :P

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Re: Navy and the AAC

Post by PrideandDream » Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:49 pm

I don't know. Maybe? I think you really have to look at AFA to give this a real comparison. I haven't dug too far into the numbers but seems AF had a lot of years of success while they were in a conference facing the same folks. Now the bigger argument is they only won the WAC 3 times in 18 years and a Divisional Championship once in the MWC in 20 some odd years.


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Re: Navy and the AAC

Post by prairie » Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:50 pm

Navy's problem is that they happen to be in the strongest conference outside of the Power 5. CUSA when Army was in was not as strong. To end the 0-13 disaster year of 2003, CUSA was only marginally better than the 1A bottom feeders MAC and WAC. The Sunbelt was worse than some 1AA conferences.

Unfortunately for Navy, USF, UCF, Memphis, and Houston are all strong programs with ambitions bigger than the conference championship. Playing these guys year in and year out will be pretty tough. AF only had to deal with Utah and Colorado State (when they used to be pretty good under Sonny Lubick.)

Army's problem during its time in CUSA was not that the competition was so tough but that those Army teams were really poor in terms of talent, coaching, and support from the administration.


CONFERENCE CENTRAL MEAN SIMPLE AVERAGE TEAMS WIN50%

1 SEC-WEST (A) = 82.61 82.43 ( 1) 7 82.45 ( 1)
2 BIG TEN-EAST (A) = 81.10 80.12 ( 2) 7 81.15 ( 2)
3 BIG 12 (A) = 78.73 78.36 ( 3) 10 78.49 ( 3)
4 SEC-EAST (A) = 78.29 78.32 ( 4) 7 78.32 ( 4)
5 PAC-12(NORTH) (A) = 77.87 77.22 ( 5) 6 77.68 ( 5)
6 ACC-ATLANTIC (A) = 76.49 77.20 ( 6) 7 76.88 ( 6)
7 PAC-12(SOUTH) (A) = 75.25 74.46 ( 7) 6 74.63 ( 7)
8 ACC-COASTAL (A) = 74.44 74.36 ( 8) 7 74.42 ( 8)
9 BIG TEN-WEST (A) = 73.58 73.95 ( 9) 7 73.73 ( 9)
10 AAC EAST (A) = 68.47 67.20 ( 10) 6 68.04 ( 10)
11 AAC WEST (A) = 66.62 66.89 ( 11) 6 66.81 ( 11)
12 MWC-MOUNTAIN (A) = 65.37 66.26 ( 12) 6 65.78 ( 12)
13 SUN BELT-EAST (A) = 63.75 64.61 ( 13) 5 64.19 ( 13)
14 MAC-WEST (A) = 63.61 63.50 ( 16) 6 63.52 ( 14)
15 I-A INDEPENDENTS (A) = 63.28 63.89 ( 14) 6 63.44 ( 15)
16 MWC-WEST (A) = 62.76 63.55 ( 15) 6 63.16 ( 16)
17 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 59.18 59.73 ( 17) 10 59.50 ( 17)
18 CONFERENCE USA-EAST (A) = 58.15 57.36 ( 18) 7 57.66 ( 18)
19 MAC-EAST (A) = 58.00 57.28 ( 19) 6 57.44 ( 19)
20 CONFERENCE USA-WEST (A) = 56.92 56.74 ( 20) 7 56.81 ( 20)
21 SUN BELT-WEST (A) = 52.68 52.82 ( 21) 5 52.80 ( 21)

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Re: Navy and the AAC

Post by PrideandDream » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:42 am

Good points. It's all very fluid for sure.

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Re: Navy and the AAC

Post by gabn92 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:28 am

Until/unless Army starts having problems with scheduling or bowl invites, then there's no reason to contemplate going to a conference.

For now, it looks like scheduling isn't a problem...and so far so good on bowl invites.

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Re: Navy and the AAC

Post by DoubleOvertime99 » Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:33 am

I said this last year and people scoffed, but I'll repeat. Navy shot their wad their first year in the American and conference play has been slowly but surely taking its toll since. 2015 was the best team they'd put together since Staubach and their best chance at a New Year's Six Bowl in the BCS/Playoff era, but they got their doors blown off in Houston (who went to the Peach Bowl and beat Florida State) and that was the end of that. A couple more seasons and they'll have fans begging to get out of the conference just like Army did.

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Re: Navy and the AAC

Post by RABBLE » Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:59 pm

I know I have never waivered from thinking NO CONFERENCE FOR ARMY from the days we got our tails smashed in C-USA. We got humbled once. There is no sense in repeating that agony again.


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