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[Dong Fong '09]

At the end of the day this offensive switch was to help us compete better and be more productive offensively.

Through 10 games it is extremely less effective than the old scheme. From a running perpsective it's not even close.

PD

less effective than which old scheme? The one from 2016-to 2018? ok yeah. the one that has made our eyes bleed the past few years? way to early for that proclamation.

our offense has been bad for several years now, which is why the other guy got fired. I watched tyler fumble three times in a half against georgia southern and i remember you defending that. We threw an interception in a game ending drive that led to our QB being hurt and a near loss to the citadel that same year. the list of disappointing offensive performances since 2019 is long.

we have been pretty ineffective against both army and navy, including some really bad navy teams the past few years.

there's been times this offense has looked really good. there are times where its been inconsistent. When we've turned the ball over we've lost. When we've controlled the ball we've won. We lost to fordham in year 2 of the monken era, and things worked out. Yeah, we lost to UMASS, but we also beat air force and UTSA.

I think some of the situational playcalling could improve, but that is not change from brent davis anyway. the blocking issue can be addressed without throwing out an entire system.

[kfan12]

Don't worry I'll line up against Monken as his record deserves it.

Right now he's 4-6 and looks awful. And he doesn't advocate for change then we will have to change him.

He's done great things but this has been a bad bad decision.

BTW you don't know much about snapping a football do you? The shotgun snap is in many ways easier to teach and execute than under center. It ain't rocket science. In fact I believe they taught all the o lineman how to snap in the off season if I remember correctly. Mostly because it's easy to do so. I've taught it both ways to high school and youth kids.

Look I watch a ton of high school football here in Georgia. There is no shortage of kids dying to play at an FBS school regardless of scheme. We might try to recruit different kids but we aren't going to get the ones you think we will. Monken knows this.

At the end of the day this offensive switch was to help us compete better and be more productive offensively.

Through 10 games it is extremely less effective than the old scheme. From a running perpsective it's not even close.

Monken and this team are what the record says they are 4-6 with a loss to ULM and to UMASS and damn near to Holy Cross.

PD

I think we can be a little patient. I'm not of the opinion that Coach Monken doesn't see the failures in execution and design of the offense, or that he isn't already thinking about how to address them. Of course, if he took all our advice he'd keep and get rid of the new offense while keeping the current and recruiting different types of players.

[Oliphant]

Reality is, we changed offenses because Monken wants a P5 job and he knows the triple option is a dead end. All the rules changes and other talk is just cover for that.

Hopefully, it pans out. Early returns have been ugly.

[kfan12]

Reality is, we changed offenses because Monken wants a P5 job and he knows the triple option is a dead end. All the rules changes and other talk is just cover for that.

Hopefully, it pans out. Early returns have been ugly.

Cite a reference or keep the bovine scattalogy.

[PrideandDream]

It's well understood that Monken would like a P5 job. That isn't BS and it is well known.

[Oliphant]

Reality is, we changed offenses because Monken wants a P5 job and he knows the triple option is a dead end. All the rules changes and other talk is just cover for that.

Hopefully, it pans out. Early returns have been ugly.

Cite a reference or keep the bovine scattalogy.

It is common sense.

Monken has been pining for a P5 job. No P5 team wants to run the option. GT has solid success (BCS/NY6 bowl appearances) and they kicked Paul Johnson to the curb. If he wants a P5 gig, he has to show he can win with a different offense. The rule changes were a way to justify the decision. He went from never wanting to throw a pass to this offense.

[ArmorDude]

Reality is, we changed offenses because Monken wants a P5 job and he knows the triple option is a dead end. All the rules changes and other talk is just cover for that.

Hopefully, it pans out. Early returns have been ugly.

Cite a reference or keep the bovine scattalogy.

Wouldn't any coach want a P5 job unless they in the twilight of their career? That's like asking for poof that a AAA player wants to make it to the show.

[wpgrad]

Really crazy to think a football coach making 2m per year might want a shot at a P5 conference job making $6m a year. Wow. How horrible. How disloyal

[kfan12]

It's well understood that Monken would like a P5 job. That isn't BS and it is well known.

That is a far cry from "he changed USMA's offense to further his personal ambitions." If you can't cite a source quoting or paraphrasing something JM has said, then it is simply intentionally negative assumption.

[kfan12]

Reality is, we changed offenses because Monken wants a P5 job and he knows the triple option is a dead end. All the rules changes and other talk is just cover for that.

Hopefully, it pans out. Early returns have been ugly.

Cite a reference or keep the bovine scattalogy.

It is common sense.

Monken has been pining for a P5 job. No P5 team wants to run the option. GT has solid success (BCS/NY6 bowl appearances) and they kicked Paul Johnson to the curb. If he wants a P5 gig, he has to show he can win with a different offense. The rule changes were a way to justify the decision. He went from never wanting to throw a pass to this offense.

Aside from the fact you are quibbling over something you stated as fact, but have 0 evidence of.

Nice try, but when the coach has over and over again talked about the type of players the academy gets and running an offense that will work at USMA, stating that his potential to take a P5 job as the "reason" he changed Army's stagnate offense would mean he may not believe it will work but is doing so anyway because his priority is achieving that P5 potential. FWIW, not many colleges are going to hire anyone whom they think intentionally went against the best interests of their team in pursuit of personal glory. Bottom Line, there is no basis in fact that he changed to offense so he could gain more appeal elsewhere, and the only people suggesting that are one's who are unwilling to trust that he can make this work and improve Army's O beyond the short sight of a single season.