Good lord

[PrideandDream]

Just to be clear. I might, might, be happy if we go undefeated, win the CIC, win the AAC, make the playoff and win a playoff game. However, likely I'll be upset we didn't win the whole enchilada.

Let's be clear about my advocacy for the under center triple. Am I biased? Sure of course I am. However, objectively, there is not a single example of a different offense working at any service academy in the past 50 years. Not a single season. I'm open to hearing some argument where we had sustained success without being under center and triple option based.

I'm upset because this year's team had great potential and it was wasted with the idea that switching offenses would produce more points and better execution. It didn't produce either. And Jeff Monken acknowledged it more than once. We will see what he does but the gun option presents as many problems as it potentially solves for. Maybe, a weak AAC schedule would help. Time will tell. Let's be super clear, the supposed change in Cut Blocking on the perimeter was not a legitimate excuse to change. This offense produced less yards and less points and more negative plays then then under center triple this year. It is a step backwards and it didn't have to be. Spare me the idea that we are going to recruit different players based on the scheme. Did we recruit better players when Todd Barry, Bobby Ross or Mumford had a different scheme? Nope all about the same. Lastly, as for the advantage, and Monken spoke to this too, this offense is pretty similar to what all these other teams run. There is little surprise or change in defensive execution based on it. Unlike the under center triple.

It's December 20th and Bowl season has kicked off. We are sitting at home watching the other 86 teams that got bowl bids. But hey we beat Holy Cross by 3 points.

PD

[PrideandDream]

Also, I'm not fun at parties.

PD

[kfan12]

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It's December 20th and Bowl season has kicked off. We are sitting at home watching the other 86 teams that got bowl bids. But hey we beat Holy Cross by 3 points.

PD

As we were last year with your preferred offense.

[PrideandDream]

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It's December 20th and Bowl season has kicked off. We are sitting at home watching the other 86 teams that got bowl bids. But hey we beat Holy Cross by 3 points.

PD

As we were last year with your preferred offense.

We've never made a bowl in a different offense than the one we ran last year. I'll take my chances.

[kfan12]

No it wasn’t a gift it was all our excellent execution. We forced all 6 turnovers. Gimme a break. I am thrilled we won but damn, I can at least call it for what it was. If you think the AF game was a dominant Army performance you need to reevaluate your standards stat.

Let's see. How many games did AF lose this season by more than two touchdowns: 1 Opponent; Army
Only one other team held AF to less than 200 yards rushing: Navy

Troy beat Army 19-0; A game in which we had four turnovers. I thought we were dominated by Troy's defense and spotty offense; just as I think we dominated AF with defense and a spotty offense.

[USMAPAFAN]

Just because you get turnovers doesn’t mean you caused them by your defense dominating. Look at the AF film. 6 turnovers. 2 fumbles caused by hard hits. 2 were absolutely terrible throws by Larrier. 1 was a comical fumble by Larrier and the other fumble wasn’t caused by our tackling. No one is saying we didn’t play well that game. I am saying winning by 2 TDS when you get 6 turnovers and 2 fourth down stops isn’t that tough. We played with the lead and the whole second half was us trying to basically run out the clock. Do you believe we are a better team than AF this year or were we better on that particular day?

[kfan12]

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It's December 20th and Bowl season has kicked off. We are sitting at home watching the other 86 teams that got bowl bids. But hey we beat Holy Cross by 3 points.

PD

As we were last year with your preferred offense.

We've never made a bowl in a different offense than the one we ran last year. I'll take my chances.

Again. It may not be palatable, but it isn't your decision.

[kfan12]

Just because you get turnovers doesn’t mean you caused them by your defense dominating. Look at the AF film. 6 turnovers. 2 fumbles caused by hard hits. 2 were absolutely terrible throws by Larrier. 1 was a comical fumble by Larrier and the other fumble wasn’t caused by our tackling. No one is saying we didn’t play well that game. I am saying winning by 2 TDS when you get 6 turnovers and 2 fourth down stops isn’t that tough. We played with the lead and the whole second half was us trying to basically run out the clock. Do you believe we are a better team than AF this year or were we better on that particular day?

You are changing your argument to avoid an admission. You wrote " If you think the AF game was a dominant Army performance you need to reevaluate your standards stat." It was a dominating performance by Army, even if the offense wasn't the primary reason.

[WrekDivr]

Just because you get turnovers doesn’t mean you caused them by your defense dominating. Look at the AF film. 6 turnovers. 2 fumbles caused by hard hits. 2 were absolutely terrible throws by Larrier. 1 was a comical fumble by Larrier and the other fumble wasn’t caused by our tackling. No one is saying we didn’t play well that game. I am saying winning by 2 TDS when you get 6 turnovers and 2 fourth down stops isn’t that tough. We played with the lead and the whole second half was us trying to basically run out the clock. Do you believe we are a better team than AF this year or were we better on that particular day?

You are changing your argument to avoid an admission. You wrote " If you think the AF game was a dominant Army performance you need to reevaluate your standards stat." It was a dominating performance by Army, even if the offense wasn't the primary reason.

Agree! The discussion prior to the AF game was how great AF was executing the TO and why couldn’t Army do the same. The reality was that AF had one of the easiest schedules in FBS and folded like a house of cards when we punched them in the mouth. We rocked Larrier so hard he hasn’t started since. The first time that AF did not score a TD since we shut them out in 2017 - six years ago. Our defense DOMINATED them by any measure.

[USMAPAFAN]

Did we dominate AF in the score? 23-3? Find another NCAA game this year where a team has a 6 turnover advantage and let me know what the final score was. Pretend you are an AF fan for a moment. Are you telling yourself that Army dominated you or that your team gift wrapped the game and handed it to Army. Stop looking at the score only. I loved the outcome of that game and beating AF is always sweet but I am not looking at that win as a dominant performance. No way. If we won 44-3 sure. And we have to be honest about getting a turnover and causing a turnover. There is a difference and that game showcased the difference.