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I think we would all do well to consider individual actions, plans and statements on their own merits rather than operating as a sycophant to either party's leadership. The USG isn't a sports team and, we should all quit acting as fanatics supporting one political side or the other unconditionally. Joe Biden was showing signs of decreasing mental acuity before he was elected. It was obvious and it got steadily worse throughout his term. He made enough mistakes to make President Carter look like he knew what he was doing in foreign affairs. The current administration's position with respect to Russia and Ukraine is abhorrent to US policies in support of legitimate democracies just as it is congruent with Reagan's "promise" that NATO would not expand to the east. Most concerning is the failure to understand and honor Ukraine's right to decide whether to end a war with Russia that will yield land over which its citizens have bled, accusing their president of "just wanting (mooching) our Money." Neville Chamberlain's example will end with Ukraine's extinction and potentially all of the former eastern bloc countries as well. Neither party holds a monopoly on the truth, good intentions or smarts. and yes, the Board of Visitors needed change.
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kfan12 wrote: Wed Mar 05, 2025 1:46 pm I think we would all do well to consider individual actions, plans and statements on their own merits rather than operating as a sycophant to either party's leadership. The USG isn't a sports team and, we should all quit acting as fanatics supporting one political side or the other unconditionally. Joe Biden was showing signs of decreasing mental acuity before he was elected. It was obvious and it got steadily worse throughout his term. He made enough mistakes to make President Carter look like he knew what he was doing in foreign affairs. The current administration's position with respect to Russia and Ukraine is abhorrent to US policies in support of legitimate democracies just as it is congruent with Reagan's "promise" that NATO would not expand to the east. Most concerning is the failure to understand and honor Ukraine's right to decide whether to end a war with Russia that will yield land over which its citizens have bled, accusing their president of "just wanting (mooching) our Money." Neville Chamberlain's example will end with Ukraine's extinction and potentially all of the former eastern bloc countries as well. Neither party holds a monopoly on the truth, good intentions or smarts. and yes, the Board of Visitors needed change.
Ukraine's president and his cronies are using our money to pay for vacations.

The current war isn't worth an American penny.
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keco616 wrote: Wed Mar 05, 2025 12:28 am
wpgrad wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 1:10 pm
keco616 wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 9:19 pm 'Warrior Ethos" certainly took on a new meaning this week!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pete-hegse ... and-pause/

Reagan and Eisenhower spinning in their graves
if you cast your vote for a person who literally has dementia and now even CNN is writing books about how America was deceived these last years...you probably just need to sit out all political discussions.
Dementia Don? Our oldest president ever? As you know, he once proclaimed we won the Revolutionary War by seizing airports https://time.com/5620936/donald-trump-r ... -airports/ :lol:

Then there was consistent confusion on the campaign trail:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-forget ... 40652.html
https://www.the-independent.com/news/wo ... 41044.html

And then after he claimed Zelensky was a 'dictator' (any non Cult member can deduce the facts there and understand 50 years of Us foreign policy over the personal cry of an 80 year old makeup wearing man) ... he then didnt know that he said it a week later! Fact: Dementia .... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 721840007/
Zelensky has suspended elections in Ukraine and jailed dissenters. That is dictator behavior.
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Oliphant wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 3:21 pm
kfan12 wrote: Wed Mar 05, 2025 1:46 pm I think we would all do well to consider individual actions, plans and statements on their own merits rather than operating as a sycophant to either party's leadership. The USG isn't a sports team and, we should all quit acting as fanatics supporting one political side or the other unconditionally. Joe Biden was showing signs of decreasing mental acuity before he was elected. It was obvious and it got steadily worse throughout his term. He made enough mistakes to make President Carter look like he knew what he was doing in foreign affairs. The current administration's position with respect to Russia and Ukraine is abhorrent to US policies in support of legitimate democracies just as it is congruent with Reagan's "promise" that NATO would not expand to the east. Most concerning is the failure to understand and honor Ukraine's right to decide whether to end a war with Russia that will yield land over which its citizens have bled, accusing their president of "just wanting (mooching) our Money." Neville Chamberlain's example will end with Ukraine's extinction and potentially all of the former eastern bloc countries as well. Neither party holds a monopoly on the truth, good intentions or smarts. and yes, the Board of Visitors needed change.
Ukraine's president and his cronies are using our money to pay for vacations.

The current war isn't worth an American penny.
Ukraine's President is living a far more humble lifestyle while this war is ongoing than any US president has in war time since the Civil War. It is nonsense to not understand the vast majority of their money, time and blood is going to the war.

The current war is only worth a penny if we have a strategy and an envisioned end state that can be achieved. If we had immediately supplied the Ukrainians with enough support to push the Russians out in year one, that would have been worth it. If we had determined we could break the Russian economic engine supporting the war, that would have been worth it. Failing to provide what is needed to achieve our stated aim, indicates we shouldn't spend a dollar more than is needed to secure our people. unfortunately, as a nation, through former administrations prior to Obama, Trump, Biden, and Now Trump again, the US - WE- made promises to Russia and Ukraine that were not kept. Bill Clinton started us down this road with NATO expansion, George W continued it and every President since has had to wade through the political feces show since. So we must decide what we want and go from there, based on our National Security interests and while recognizing Russia invaded, we were complicit in causing their perceived security concerns, and a peace at any cost solution will embolden the Russians while increasing the threat to the long-term viability of Ukraine.

This isn't a short-term win/ loss situation for whatever party we support. It simply sets the stage for something further down the road. The National Security Council should have a long-term strategy that administration do their best to stay true to established aims until complete.
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Oliphant wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 3:23 pm
keco616 wrote: Wed Mar 05, 2025 12:28 am
wpgrad wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 1:10 pm

if you cast your vote for a person who literally has dementia and now even CNN is writing books about how America was deceived these last years...you probably just need to sit out all political discussions.
Dementia Don? Our oldest president ever? As you know, he once proclaimed we won the Revolutionary War by seizing airports https://time.com/5620936/donald-trump-r ... -airports/ :lol:

Then there was consistent confusion on the campaign trail:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-forget ... 40652.html
https://www.the-independent.com/news/wo ... 41044.html

And then after he claimed Zelensky was a 'dictator' (any non Cult member can deduce the facts there and understand 50 years of Us foreign policy over the personal cry of an 80 year old makeup wearing man) ... he then didnt know that he said it a week later! Fact: Dementia .... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 721840007/
Zelensky has suspended elections in Ukraine and jailed dissenters. That is dictator behavior.
Before you repost talking points that are inaccurate, I would ask that you do a small amount of research. The Ukranian constitution precludes elections during time of war. Not a choice by Zelinsky. In fact, the opposition parties in Ukraine are supportive of there not being any elections as well. The people who want elections.......Russia - so they can spread more political turmoil as a means to meet their military objectives, are the only ones upset!
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Oliphant wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 3:23 pm
keco616 wrote: Wed Mar 05, 2025 12:28 am
wpgrad wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 1:10 pm

if you cast your vote for a person who literally has dementia and now even CNN is writing books about how America was deceived these last years...you probably just need to sit out all political discussions.
Dementia Don? Our oldest president ever? As you know, he once proclaimed we won the Revolutionary War by seizing airports https://time.com/5620936/donald-trump-r ... -airports/ :lol:

Then there was consistent confusion on the campaign trail:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-forget ... 40652.html
https://www.the-independent.com/news/wo ... 41044.html

And then after he claimed Zelensky was a 'dictator' (any non Cult member can deduce the facts there and understand 50 years of Us foreign policy over the personal cry of an 80 year old makeup wearing man) ... he then didnt know that he said it a week later! Fact: Dementia .... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 721840007/
Zelensky has suspended elections in Ukraine and jailed dissenters. That is dictator behavior.
Wait until you hear about elections in Russia. 25 years of sham elections there.

Personally I think supporting Ukraine is in our national interest. Russia is one of very few nations that can threaten our existence. A war that is draining them of their resources at a small fraction of the cost of our National Defense is very much in our interests. The longer this goes on the better it is for our interests.

However, it would be nice if Ukraine took this a little more serious. Millions of Ukrainians of fighting age left the country to escape a draft. And, last I heard, Ukraine’s mobilization plans were not drafting anyone under age 27 or so. That doesn’t strike me as serious if your national existence is at stake.
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