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Re: This is not good...
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:37 pm
by PrideandDream
While you are listing out excuses don't forget to put the cut block rule in there.
Navy is losing for the same reasons we've been losing poor coaching.
I might point back to several years ago when Troy Calhoun was forgoing raises to get more money for his assistants. That is a bigger discrepancy in my mind than NIL or Transfer Portal.
PD
Re: This is not good...
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:45 pm
by wpgrad
prideandream wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:37 pm
While you are listing out excuses don't forget to put the cut block rule in there.
Navy is losing for the same reasons we've been losing poor coaching.
I might point back to several years ago when Troy Calhoun was forgoing raises to get more money for his assistants. That is a bigger discrepancy in my mind than NIL or Transfer Portal.
PD
Oh come on. So coach ken, who was always on the lists of best coaches, suddenly forgot how to coach?
Re: This is not good...
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:00 pm
by Lusk2003
prideandream wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:37 pm
While you are listing out excuses don't forget to put the cut block rule in there.
Navy is losing for the same reasons we've been losing poor coaching.
I might point back to several years ago when Troy Calhoun was forgoing raises to get more money for his assistants. That is a bigger discrepancy in my mind than NIL or Transfer Portal.
PD
I wonder what the discrepancy is between our assistants and our HC. Has JM forgone raises to keep coaches? We have coaches leave every single year. In fact we were beaten by two yesterday. Is that because JM doesn’t attempt to keep them? It seems like coaches are either fired or they run out of here any chance they get.
Re: This is not good...
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 7:31 pm
by Oliphant
BlackKnight09 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 2:29 pm
You can’t just completely dismiss Navy’s success because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
And then AFA's success is dismissed because they are just "different."
Re: This is not good...
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 7:32 pm
by Oliphant
wpgrad wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:45 pm
prideandream wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:37 pm
While you are listing out excuses don't forget to put the cut block rule in there.
Navy is losing for the same reasons we've been losing poor coaching.
I might point back to several years ago when Troy Calhoun was forgoing raises to get more money for his assistants. That is a bigger discrepancy in my mind than NIL or Transfer Portal.
PD
Oh come on. So coach ken, who was always on the lists of best coaches, suddenly forgot how to coach?
Some coaches just lose their touch.
Re: This is not good...
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 8:10 pm
by BEATNAVY09
Oliphant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:50 am
Navy has several seasons of 8-10 win seasons when they would play 4-5 P5 opponents (several were ranked and were defeated) and several quality G5 teams in a year. Meanwhile, we haven't beaten an AP-ranked team in decades.
Air Force has been successful in a conference.
If we want to play FCS opponents all the time, drop down to the Patriot League.
I want no part of the AAC, but our rivals have been successful against difficult schedules. We can do the same.
I’m pretty sure the year we broke the streak, Navy was ranked 25.
Re: This is not good...
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 8:16 pm
by PrideandDream
I don't know that it's Coach Ken forgot. I suppose we'd have to evaluate his staff changes over time. I have little insight on their staff and how it changed over the years. I'm sure that was part of it and the other part I think is recruiting got tougher for them. There was a point where we didn't go head to head with Navy for recruits and that changed when Monken arrived. So I think that part got harder for them which also had some impact. But just my guesses here.
Re: This is not good...
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 8:55 pm
by Armyfaninpa
KN didn't do himself any favors with his fence-sitting on BYU and Arizona job rumors.
Re: This is not good...
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:03 pm
by wpgrad
Oliphant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 7:31 pm
BlackKnight09 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 2:29 pm
You can’t just completely dismiss Navy’s success because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
And then AFA's success is dismissed because they are just "different."
For decades The way AF has run its program, recruited, allowed players to “serve” as coaches, etc. even down to them allowing 40+ kids to do covid repeat, is nothing at all like our program
You dont like it, but its 100% true. Comparing AF to us is like comparing the coast guard academy to us. The only similarities are that they are an academy
All you guys gonna beg to be in the AAC because “AF is in a conference” will be the same ones bitching when we are 3-9 every year and our home games are an FCS, Charlotte, tulsa, florida atlantic and uab
Re: This is not good...
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2023 10:22 am
by Oliphant
wpgrad wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:03 pm
Oliphant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 7:31 pm
BlackKnight09 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 2:29 pm
You can’t just completely dismiss Navy’s success because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
And then AFA's success is dismissed because they are just "different."
For decades The way AF has run its program, recruited, allowed players to “serve” as coaches, etc. even down to them allowing 40+ kids to do covid repeat, is nothing at all like our program
You dont like it, but its 100% true. Comparing AF to us is like comparing the coast guard academy to us. The only similarities are that they are an academy
All you guys gonna beg to be in the AAC because “AF is in a conference” will be the same ones bitching when we are 3-9 every year and our home games are an FCS, Charlotte, tulsa, florida atlantic and uab
Well, I am not a fan of joining the AAC. You know that, wpgrad.