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kfan12 wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:50 pm
wpgrad wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:04 am
Oliphant wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:19 pm 10 or 11 conference game schedules will happen someday if the TV networks demand it.

The networks are behind realignment. If they want the future SEC with 20+ teams to play 10 or 11 conference games, it will happen.
The only way this happens is if the top 40 are so teams form a superleague. Which I actually think is the end game

And if that happens, army navy and everyone else is in the B league anyway so it wont matter
That will never last long. Without being able to play outside the conference, the bottom dwellers of any super conference will leave in a matter of 2-5 years and the cycle will start over as teams with the best records will find a way to challenge the super conference winners, and they will win. The majority of fans, when you add them all up, are NOT aligned to the top 40. Add agencies and corporations will not give up 50% or more of their intended audience so that the SEC can pay its coaches and commissioner more money. Folks paying the NIL money outside the P5 also have considerable power, all-told. I just don't see a handful of super conferences being able to shut out all the fanbases nationwide, but we will see.

As an aside, would be really helpful to force some of these bowl games out of SEC territory so that they have to compete in environmentally neutral or unfriendly sites and see how they really match up. Too much clout in that league is driven by bowl games that were once established for friendly weather to support stadium attendance. Right now, they mostly play within SEC territory and rarely venture out into the weather and hostile fanbases around the country. IMO, the only thing that will fix the kowtowing to the SEC is a playoff system similar to the FCS.
It might not last long but it will happen. It is how the conferences and networks are trending. Money talks the loudest.

The SEC is dominant because they spend the most money and have fertile recruiting grounds. An FCS playoff system isn't neglecting those advantages. It hasn't stopped NDSU and the MVFC from ruling the FCS.
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Oliphant wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:23 pm
It might not last long but it will happen. It is how the conferences and networks are trending. Money talks the loudest.

The SEC is dominant because they spend the most money and have fertile recruiting grounds. An FCS playoff system isn't neglecting those advantages. It hasn't stopped NDSU and the MVFC from ruling the FCS.
The SEC's monetary dominance is driven by the perception that they are the best. My contention: that is because they rarely are forced to leave friendly environs and warmer weather of the SEC. Note where most of the members of the MVFC and NDSU are geographically. They aren't huddled in the southeast. Imagine if the SEC winner had to travel to Ohio or Michigan or anywhere else in the north in January to compete for the Championship. The NCAA puts northern teams in a physical disadvantage in nearly every bowl game. IMO that is one of the most significant reasons that the SEC seems so dominant.
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kfan12 wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:07 pm
Oliphant wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:23 pm
It might not last long but it will happen. It is how the conferences and networks are trending. Money talks the loudest.

The SEC is dominant because they spend the most money and have fertile recruiting grounds. An FCS playoff system isn't neglecting those advantages. It hasn't stopped NDSU and the MVFC from ruling the FCS.
The SEC's monetary dominance is driven by the perception that they are the best. My contention: that is because they rarely are forced to leave friendly environs and warmer weather of the SEC. Note where most of the members of the MVFC and NDSU are geographically. They aren't huddled in the southeast. Imagine if the SEC winner had to travel to Ohio or Michigan or anywhere else in the north in January to compete for the Championship. The NCAA puts northern teams in a physical disadvantage in nearly every bowl game. IMO that is one of the most significant reasons that the SEC seems so dominant.
If this were true, how come the SEC has dominated the college playoffs. And those games are played indoors typically at neutral sites. No one is playing the national championship in January in Michigan.
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You think the Georgia Dome, the Sugar Bowl, the Fiesta Bowl, The Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, etc., etc. are neutral sites for teams coming from the Northern part of the country, acclimatized to let's say average daily temperatures in the 30s against SEC teams from LA, AL, GA, etc.?
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kfan12 wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:58 pm You think the Georgia Dome, the Sugar Bowl, the Fiesta Bowl, The Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, etc., etc. are neutral sites for teams coming from the Northern part of the country, acclimatized to let's say average daily temperatures in the 30s against SEC teams from LA, AL, GA, etc.?
They arent flying in the night before. They are there 2 weeks
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wpgrad wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:14 pm
kfan12 wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:58 pm You think the Georgia Dome, the Sugar Bowl, the Fiesta Bowl, The Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, etc., etc. are neutral sites for teams coming from the Northern part of the country, acclimatized to let's say average daily temperatures in the 30s against SEC teams from LA, AL, GA, etc.?
They arent flying in the night before. They are there 2 weeks
LOL...that is absurd.
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kfan12 wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:07 pm
Oliphant wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:23 pm
It might not last long but it will happen. It is how the conferences and networks are trending. Money talks the loudest.

The SEC is dominant because they spend the most money and have fertile recruiting grounds. An FCS playoff system isn't neglecting those advantages. It hasn't stopped NDSU and the MVFC from ruling the FCS.
The SEC's monetary dominance is driven by the perception that they are the best. My contention: that is because they rarely are forced to leave friendly environs and warmer weather of the SEC. Note where most of the members of the MVFC and NDSU are geographically. They aren't huddled in the southeast. Imagine if the SEC winner had to travel to Ohio or Michigan or anywhere else in the north in January to compete for the Championship. The NCAA puts northern teams in a physical disadvantage in nearly every bowl game. IMO that is one of the most significant reasons that the SEC seems so dominant.
NDSU plays in a dome. So does UNI. Great teams are great teams.

The college football season concludes before the worst of the winter weather arrives. Even the Big 10 plays their championship game indoors. Heck, I bet most of those Big 10 teams play indoors 90% of the time.

Secondly, the Championship Game will never be played outdoors unless it is in the South or California. For good reason; attendance.

The perception is reality. The SEC is the best.

The NCAA doesn't put the northern teams at a disadvantage. They approve bowl games but the bowl sponsors pick the location. There aren't too many northern cities jousting for a bowl. And really, bowl games today are determined by if a team wants to be there or how many stars opt out.
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Oliphant wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:51 pm
kfan12 wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:07 pm
Oliphant wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:23 pm
It might not last long but it will happen. It is how the conferences and networks are trending. Money talks the loudest.

The SEC is dominant because they spend the most money and have fertile recruiting grounds. An FCS playoff system isn't neglecting those advantages. It hasn't stopped NDSU and the MVFC from ruling the FCS.
The SEC's monetary dominance is driven by the perception that they are the best. My contention: that is because they rarely are forced to leave friendly environs and warmer weather of the SEC. Note where most of the members of the MVFC and NDSU are geographically. They aren't huddled in the southeast. Imagine if the SEC winner had to travel to Ohio or Michigan or anywhere else in the north in January to compete for the Championship. The NCAA puts northern teams in a physical disadvantage in nearly every bowl game. IMO that is one of the most significant reasons that the SEC seems so dominant.
NDSU plays in a dome. So does UNI. Great teams are great teams.

The college football season concludes before the worst of the winter weather arrives. Even the Big 10 plays their championship game indoors. Heck, I bet most of those Big 10 teams play indoors 90% of the time.

Secondly, the Championship Game will never be played outdoors unless it is in the South or California. For good reason; attendance.

The perception is reality. The SEC is the best.

The NCAA doesn't put the northern teams at a disadvantage. They approve bowl games but the bowl sponsors pick the location. There aren't too many northern cities jousting for a bowl. And really, bowl games today are determined by if a team wants to be there or how many stars opt out.
Just a couple of comments...
-- Teams may play in a dome, that isn't what their bodies are acclimatized.
-- I'm not sure what the point of this is: "The college football season concludes before the worst of the winter weather arrives." if you are trying to say the weather in southern Florida, Louisiana, Texas, etc. is the same as it is up north in November and December, I beg to differ
-- The championship game has been played in outdoor stadiums at least three times in the current format.
-- The Bowls were originally a reward for teams to have a final game of the year, the locations were set for stadium attendance to make $. That is still valuable to the venues, but the real money is in the TV contracts today. Now that we have a tournament, of sorts, the locations should be relooked.
-- The NCAA sets the championship game locations.
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Whatever TV wants, they get. I believe they want a SUPERLEAGUE to simplify scheduling of about 40 teams, somewhat like the NFL system.
They certainly don't want to bother with 130 teams to deal with. Too tough to deal with fitting them all in on any major network. The big pot of money will go to the top 40 and the rest of the FBS will form their own group of lesser- lites performing before the other lesser- lite tv regional stations.
We will become like what the FCS is now.
Either the FCS teams join forces. their will drop down in relative significance. If not, the present FCS teams, not among the Top 40, will be called the new FCS. The present FCS teams will drop to Division 2. 2 willl become 3. 3 will become 4.

Simple, isn't it ?? ;)
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